Say It Anyway

James Ferrigno (00:09)
You're still searching for that breakthrough that always feels just out of reach. What is your true life path and how do you finally find it? Welcome to Say It Anyway, the podcast where we help you unlock the breakthrough you've been waiting for so your true life path can finally come to life.

Each week we share powerful practical tools you can use right now to start transforming your life. You'll hear raw, honest conversations with people from all walks of life, people who've found their way forward and are here to share mindsets, strategies, and wisdom that help them get there. I'm James Farigno. I've helped people reconnect with their power for years.

I'll guide you beyond surface level solutions into a deeper way of seeing the world, one rooted in connection, courage, and open-hearted dedication. This is your space to think differently, live boldly, and finally do the thing you were meant to do. Let's get started.

James Ferrigno (01:06)
I'm James Ferreño and Today's guest is Dr. Danny Guerin. He's intuition medicine practitioner, acupuncturist, Chinese medicine practitioner. Welcome, Danny.

Dr. Danny Geren (01:18)
Hi, how's it going, James? Good to be here with you.

James Ferrigno (01:21)
Pretty good, doing pretty good today. Yeah, it's great to have you on the show.

Dr. Danny Geren (01:26)
Thank you. Yeah, happy to be here.

James Ferrigno (01:28)
So I guess we'll just dive into it. what?

led you to being Chinese medicine practitioner what led you to that? ⁓

Dr. Danny Geren (01:36)
Yeah, when I was little,

it was really interesting. was in the car with my grandparents. We were driving somewhere and I was like daydreaming out the window and just like looking at everything passing by. And this was in Southern California and in Sino, so in the valley, nothing glamorous or anything, but there's all these strip malls. And I saw on a storefront Chinese writing and it said, acupuncture and herbal medicine. And I was like, oh, that looks cool.

I'm going to do that someday. And my grandma, my grandma was like, what? She like pivots in her seat from the front seat to look back at me. She's like, okay, okay, okay. Just get your MD first. So it was always like pushed on me to do Western medicine or be a lawyer or whatever, you know, but I don't know. I just knew, I just knew that I was going to do it someday, but I completely forgot about it.

James Ferrigno (02:29)
How old were you again? ⁓

Dr. Danny Geren (02:36)
I was like eight, nine years old. Yeah. ⁓

and you know, now I know with hindsight, with all my practice and meditation that I've had past lives doing acupuncture and being a healer. It makes perfect sense. But, I forgot all about it. You know, in undergrad I was doing all pre-med stuff, even though I didn't want to be a Western doctor. And then I started going to Chinese medicine practitioners and

James Ferrigno (02:51)
Okay.

So,

Dr. Danny Geren (03:05)
during that time was also learning Reiki, so I was trying to do energy work. And then what happened

James Ferrigno (03:07)
you.

Dr. Danny Geren (03:13)
was that Western medicine was like, here, you should take antibiotics for this. I had a really bad acne and it was so bad that I went to the doctor and they're like, here, take these pharmaceuticals, take these things. I was like, I don't really wanna do that, that doesn't make sense to me. And so I went to Chinese medicine practitioners and they were like,

Here are herbs, here's acupuncture, here's all the things we can do. Here's the dietary changes you need to make. And I was like, this makes sense. And I started doing those changes, taking those herbs, cooking them, boiling them, drinking them, even though they taste awful, but they worked really well. And now I thankfully have a little bit of ready skin, but I don't have a lot of acting, which is nice.

James Ferrigno (03:57)
Yeah, that's always a plus. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've had the same experience with the with Chinese medicine as well. People don't often think they think there really is some of this widespread belief that, well, those might do something, but it's the pharmaceuticals that are really strong and really, you know, take care of it. And it's like, sometimes that's the case. But

Dr. Danny Geren (03:58)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (04:22)
Often not. Often that's not the case. Often it's the Chinese herbs that are more powerful, stronger. Yeah, so yeah, it really surprised me at first. I'm like, wait, this really works. You this isn't, there's no doubt, you know, I've had really severe infection. did Chinese antibiotics. Boom. You know, the whole thing where you boil it on the stove and.

Dr. Danny Geren (04:28)
Absolutely. I've had a lot of experience like that too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

James Ferrigno (04:51)
it's the right know tincture made and yes yeah yeah anyone you live with loves loves the smell

Dr. Danny Geren (04:57)
Get your house smelling awful. ⁓

I actually

found an electronic teapot version of it that automatically boils it down for you. And so I would plug it outside and just do it outside. It was awesome.

James Ferrigno (05:08)
Hello there, you.

Wow, new technology. had no idea. Wow. great. Yeah, definitely in my future, I think. Yeah, because sometimes that's sometimes that's necessary.

Dr. Danny Geren (05:15)
Yeah, in case you're ever doing it.

Yeah.

Yeah. yeah, just a little bit more to that story was that, ⁓

you know, I rebelled against doing medicine because it was like forced on me. Everyone's like, this is what you should do. And I was like, I just didn't want to do it. And then I came around to the fact that, okay, I really do want to help people. Like I always knew that. And I knew healing would be a really good way to do that. I took all of my MCAT exams, which is the entrance exam for med school. had interviews lined up for med school.

And then I went to the schools to start touring them and I had just started dating my now wife. And at that time I was like, I'm doing the wrong thing. This is not what I'm supposed to be doing. I thought that I needed to do the Western medicine to be taken seriously and realized that that was sort of just a foolish notion that I didn't really have to do that. So she was like, I'm going to get you a Vedic astrology reading for your birthday.

You do this astrology reading, we'll ask about your career and see what they says. I was like, okay, well, I'm thinking about doing Chinese medicine. really like loved acupuncture. I think that would be a really cool thing. So I do the Vedic reading and the astrologer is like, well, you are born to puncture the skin and heal with your hands and draw blood. So being an acupuncturist would be great. Very specific. So I was lucky in that sense. I knew what I was going to do.

James Ferrigno (06:32)
Thank you.

That's very specific,

Dr. Danny Geren (06:52)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (06:55)
Wow, that's nice to know. And part of the reason I have this show is to kind of help people find that, because not everybody just has it come to them like you or...

Spielberg or whoever comes to you when you're a kid, right? Yeah, there can be a lot of most of us, you know, decades of struggling to try and find out exactly what it is. Yeah, so trying to point people in that direction, give them whatever we can. So has your how is your personal healing journey connected to this?

Dr. Danny Geren (07:10)
I count myself very lucky.

Hmm.

Yeah, absolutely.

James Ferrigno (07:37)
to your more professional life, if they are?

Dr. Danny Geren (07:39)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a huge connection. So I

have a lot of, I have various specialties. One of them is pain management and neurology. And that's just cause I really enjoy it. ⁓ I really like helping people. It's very satisfying. There's quick changes, which I love, but the other one is spiritual and emotional healing. And so I grew up with in a family where my mother has a lot of serious mental health issues. She's

James Ferrigno (08:07)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (08:08)
been diagnosed

with bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder. ⁓ My take is she has a pretty extreme narcissistic disorder. I have a brother who has, in some ways, mild diversions of the bipolar. He's undiagnosed. He has Tourette's syndrome, so he has a lot of tics. ⁓ And he's also extremely narcissistic and abusive. And so I grew up in this, and I've, you know, I battled

James Ferrigno (08:14)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (08:37)
my own emotions and it got me into meditation. So when I was 21, I started meditating because I was going through a very serious depression. And once I got into Chinese medicine, I was like, my God, I love this. And so I started exploring a lot of emotional and spiritual healing and ⁓ learning extracurricularly and continuing education and postdoctoral training, getting my doctorate and my capstone, which is like a dissertation.

James Ferrigno (08:46)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (09:04)
was on emotional and spiritual healing through Chinese medicine. But it wasn't only that, it was also that ⁓ working with the topic of depossession, of clearing out energies that are not yours. And so through going through developing more intuitive skills, through going through the Academy of Intuition Medicine, which I know you're graduate of as well, ⁓ which is where I've been teaching for the last seven years. ⁓

I delved into possession and spirits and being taken over by other people's energy and started realizing very quickly that that's what my mother had, that's what my brother had. And that's what, ⁓ behold, I had a ton of spirits that were connected into me that came from them that I've had since I was born because my mom had this and she transferred it to me. So it's like this intergenerational passing of spirits between people.

Well, it's been a huge journey of healing that. And so I do so much work with that. you know, a lot of people get referred to me because I've done that work on somebody else and they've had amazing, amazing healings. Um, you know, just to like name a few, like it can be really anything that can shift in someone. just depends where those spirits or that possessing energy is connected into. And I've had like irritable bowel syndrome be 90 % healed after one session of clearing. I've had pain.

go away dramatically. I've had voices that people were hearing go away completely, you know, just to name a few, but so many different things. Suicidal ideations, like someone was suicidal and they're like, this doesn't feel like me, I don't know what this is. Cleared some spirits and then all of a sudden it's completely gone, like it was never there. So I have a ton of personal experience because I've had such a long journey clearing all of that out for me. Then I really love helping people that do that too.

James Ferrigno (10:52)
Thank you.

Yeah, that's what that I mean, you did that for me as a matter of fact. So, um, yeah, I had just struggled with these. It was a complex with a number of different things, but you know, pain and anxiety combined and, uh, just trying to figure out, know, what was going on, you know, with it. And, uh, yeah, tapped right into it. And it was amazing really, cause I walked in and when I walked out, it was gone and it had been there for a long time.

Dr. Danny Geren (11:01)
Right.

Yay, cool. Thanks for sharing.

James Ferrigno (11:29)
Yeah, yeah, that was pretty fantastic. So I can attest to that. ⁓

yeah, I've also noticed that for me, I know the academy really showed me the Academy of Intuition Medicine where you teach and we both went. I really learned that.

we're all just soaking up other people's energy. And it's like, you cause we're all surrounded by a bubble of electromagnetic energy and which, you know, protects us and they're interacting and on the simplest level, you just catching other people's charges in there, whatever energy is around them. And it just kind of builds up in your field. Just, just clearing it out was a huge, huge life changing event for me. Yeah. Cause that,

Dr. Danny Geren (12:20)
Absolutely.

James Ferrigno (12:23)
And it's something that doesn't readily occur to most people, that concept. It certainly didn't occur to me. That was what was causing a lot of these issues. ⁓ but it really, really is a thing. And now at the Academy and I've been taught and been doing this for years now, but just being able to clear out my own field, you know, once or two times, one or two times a day, just to, especially if you're around other people. Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (12:28)
Mm-hmm.

That's huge.

Right. And if

you're working with other people too, yeah, then you perform. Yeah, people don't realize how much their emotional state is impacted by that because they're taking on other people's emotions all the time if they don't have the tools to protect themselves.

James Ferrigno (12:53)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, some of us are more prone to that even than normal. yeah, it'd be really powerful. Yeah, so.

Dr. Danny Geren (13:12)
Absolutely.

James Ferrigno (13:21)
When did your abilities, like your intuitive abilities start to surface? When did you kind of realize, hey, wait, I can, I'm good at this,

Dr. Danny Geren (13:33)
A couple

of funny stories. So when I was like maybe four or five years old, I was like running around in the backyard just playing and I like completely stopped dead in my tracks. And I was like, I wonder why I chose to be born into this family. And it was like this really deep question. And then I was like, oh, well, and I just kept playing. Like literally stopped for like

James Ferrigno (13:54)
Yeah.

So, thank

Dr. Danny Geren (13:59)
I have to 10 seconds and

then play. So like I always have that, like a bit of that intuitive aspect going on. But when I was in college, I was I think 21 years old at that time, 22. And I was living in this Buddhist practice house that was up in the Berkeley Hills. And it was right next to, it was Native American land, Ohlone Indian land. And there's this huge like famous rock, it's called the Indian Rock.

James Ferrigno (14:18)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (14:29)
Oh yeah, you know what? And so it was the middle of the night, I like woke up, I was super hungry. I like had this massive metabolism back at that time so I could just eat, eat. And I would wake up in the middle of the night starving. And so I went to the kitchen, I grabbed some food and then all of a sudden I just like felt that there were some spirits there. And this was the first time I had seen spirits. And so I started like opening up my perception and I saw two Native American spirits and I asked, oh, what happened to you?

James Ferrigno (14:36)
and I think that's insight to see. And I think that's insight to And I great great great see. to see.

Dr. Danny Geren (14:58)
And it showed me that they had been killed. They were partners. And ⁓ I think one of them had cheated on the other or something. And it was just like this whole thing. And I said, well, I can help you with that. Do you want to heal? Do you want to move on? And they said, yes. And I had no idea how I knew this at that point. And I just created this like pillar of divine light and I offered it to them. And then they just like walked in and then went into the light.

James Ferrigno (15:05)
.

Dr. Danny Geren (15:26)
and crossed over and they were gone. And I was like, that was cool. That was kind of easy. All right, cool. And I just like went back to bed. The second time I did that, I had a girlfriend who we just started dating and she was being stalked by one of her old partners. And she was like, hi, he won't leave me alone. I think he's got spirits attached to him. ⁓

James Ferrigno (15:31)
Wow!

So, I think that's it this talk.

Dr. Danny Geren (15:55)
And I was like, oh, well, I take care of that. And I was very like cocky because I was like, oh, I've done this before. And I go into meditation and I start doing it, but I didn't do it in the same way. I just started like ripping spirits out. Like, oh, they've just kind of, oh, I've got to pull them out. And what happened during that time was I got really sick. Like I had a really bad flu, but it only lasted for 24 hours. If that was maybe half a day, I like woke up the next

James Ferrigno (16:05)
This is not about the faith thing. is about the confidence thing. is the faith thing.

Thank

Dr. Danny Geren (16:23)
I like, I'm totally

James Ferrigno (16:23)
you.

Dr. Danny Geren (16:24)
fine. But it felt like a full on flu with body aches, like nausea, no appetite. And that's because I wasn't as skillful. I tried to force it instead of offering healing to the spirit. But the good news was that guy left her alone and stopped bothering her. Yeah. Yeah, so that was cool.

James Ferrigno (16:31)
And that's it for that.

Mm-hmm.

Fantastic. And

that's something you just intuitively just came to you. You know what to do. That makes sense. Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (16:54)
Yeah. Yeah, well, so now looking at it, I also know I've been doing this for lifetimes. This isn't my first time.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (17:08)
So that's fantastic. ⁓

Maybe you can describe a session with you to us. Like what, ⁓ if someone comes to you for help, I mean, you've given us a little bit of insight into it, but like, how does that generally go? Or is there no kind of standard ways or a lot of different things that can happen? ⁓

Dr. Danny Geren (17:33)
There's a lot of different things that can happen in terms of the work, the overall structure follows a couple of

So I do three different styles of treatments. I do one in person where it's a mix of acupuncture with energy work. I do Zoomer phone sessions as well with people. So that's just straight energy work. Or I also, I have a lot of patients who just, we do everything over email because I work in the morning. I'm a morning person. My wife's a night owl. So I try not to make a

James Ferrigno (17:59)
that they're using to kind of restore that.

Dr. Danny Geren (18:02)
in the morning so that she can sleep in.

James Ferrigno (18:02)
So it's a good idea. So that's what we can do.

Dr. Danny Geren (18:04)
So I do a lot of sessions where it's just over email with people. So they email me the night, day before what they want to work on. I text them before I start and then I do all this energy work and then I email them notes about what I'm doing. Or if it's phone or Zoom session, then what we do is we go into meditation. I look at them energetically, I tell them what I'm seeing and then I start doing the work. And there's lots of different strategies that I use that I've developed over the years, a lot of it.

is most of it is based in the Cat of Intuition Medicine training, but then I've also evolved in style and strategy. And that's to make it more, for me, it's more effective, it's quicker, I can do a lot more, and people can handle a lot more than what I first had learned, because it's a smoother process for them to heal. So then they can handle more healing in a given session, which is great. But if someone's in person with me,

James Ferrigno (18:51)
with with this is written in the text. then you can look at it in special. So, it's written in the

Dr. Danny Geren (19:01)
We'll go into meditation together. I'll look at them. I'll tell them what's going on. I'll either do a little bit of energy work there or at that point, or I'll say, let's get you on the table. do the acupuncture and either the acupuncture will be things that support the energy work. Or if there are things that are going on that they need help with, like let's say, yeah, someone yesterday was like, I'm having some asthma and digestive issues. And then I would do acupuncture for that.

I would do energy work for the other things that they had going on. And then I also will always do energy work to support the acupuncture. So it's like bringing in different energies that support the healing, support the function of the needles, and then also just general healing energies. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (19:36)
So, thank ⁓

Okay, bringing in your different skills from different areas. Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (19:50)
Right.

It's a really fun combination. lot

of people are like, how do you marry the two styles? And I'm like, it just makes perfect sense. Like, it just works.

James Ferrigno (20:03)
Yeah, yeah, I know. I have things like that. had a client I was working with recently and ⁓

I didn't plan it. didn't know I knew how to necessarily do what I was doing. But because this was a client, was someone that was had severe disabilities and was non-communicative and really had no language. And so, but.

Dr. Danny Geren (20:32)
Hmm.

Yeah, it's tough.

James Ferrigno (20:39)
You know, was sitting down, holding space, connecting, clearing, grounding everything out. I just did a number of things. And maybe you can speak to this as well. I have found that really the most powerful part of every single time, but generally the most powerful part of when I work with someone, which was happening with this person is just.

It's just kind of the holding space, the compassion and the connecting with them. And then they're in my world. And that world, they're okay. If that makes sense. And, and that's what I did. And I brought in all these different things and I had no plan or know what I was going to do, you know, and, but it can work really well. Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (21:17)
Yeah, that does make sense.

Yeah, you follow the energy and see

where it takes you, right? See what's needed. See what they're calling for.

James Ferrigno (21:35)
Yeah,

yeah, just go with whatever's happening right then.

Dr. Danny Geren (21:43)
Yeah,

I think one beautiful part about it that you're speaking to is that you're also helping them to connect to their own spirit more deeply by holding space for them. So it allows them to get out of this 3D pain, suffering, et cetera, get connected to their higher self where everything is perfect, right? And you're bringing that into their bodies to help them feel better. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (22:09)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hadn't even thought of it exactly that way. But yeah, yeah, that is that's part of what's going on. Really just this holding space just allows them to really connect and heal. Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (22:24)
Yeah, nice. That's great. I'm glad that you're doing that work.

James Ferrigno (22:27)
Yeah,

yeah, it's been really, ⁓ really rewarding. Yeah. I really had a chance to, with more challenging people, just had a chance to really evolve more what I was doing.

Dr. Danny Geren (22:46)
Yes. Are there any other ⁓ cases that come to mind that you want to talk

about?

James Ferrigno (22:55)
as far as ⁓ as far as what i've been doing or just in general

Dr. Danny Geren (23:00)
Yeah, as far as what you've been doing and how it relates to all of this.

James Ferrigno (23:03)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I've had a couple of others lately. have one client that,

this client really likes the space being held and likes to ⁓ talk. Just kind of dump everything out. I'll do the work just while that's happening.

Dr. Danny Geren (23:21)
Mmm.

All

James Ferrigno (23:27)
So rather than them just kind of sitting quietly and going through maybe a healing process, this person will be just telling me every detail of everything. And I will, and it's interesting. It's kind of like just the talking of the reciting what's happening. It's almost like a meditation. just like takes her to a different place, you know?

So she's over there doing that and I'm over here doing this while she's directing with whatever events have been going on.

Dr. Danny Geren (24:04)
Yeah. One of the things that I've noticed is like, well, of course

patients use us as therapists, even though we're not therapists, but they share what's going on emotionally. But I have to share a little bit, even if it's briefly, because what I've noticed is that it brings up the energetic pattern in their system. Like where is that emotional pattern being stored? What systems do we need to work with? And it gives clarity for the energy work and for the acupuncture too.

James Ferrigno (24:14)
yeah.

Yeah, I found that too. My, my work has gone over into if that makes sense. It's energetic healing and physical healing, So, which made me question, what am I calling myself now? I'm doing I'm doing physical healing, we're doing emotional work, I'm doing energy work.

Dr. Danny Geren (24:50)
Yeah,

just legally don't say that to me.

James Ferrigno (24:54)
What are we doing here? Yeah, but it can get into that area. ⁓

Dr. Danny Geren (24:55)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (25:00)
Maybe, do you wanna talk about holding space for a second? We've been talking about that. Like, what does that mean to you?

Dr. Danny Geren (25:06)
Yeah, it's so funny. We were watching a show on Apple TV and it was like an older generation. And he's like talking to a younger person. I have no idea what you mean by holding space. But, you know, for me, when I'm holding space for somebody, especially when I'm in session with somebody, I'm bringing in various different healing energies and just surrounding them with that. So that as they are going through what they're going through,

James Ferrigno (25:07)
Yeah. ⁓

Dr. Danny Geren (25:35)
it allows them in order to release more easily and allows them to access it more easily. And so I love doing that. So like that's more therapeutic aspect or energy work aspect of holding space, but also there's the like, just being someone who can be neutral or empathetic or sympathetic and be there for somebody so that they can explore whatever it is. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (25:59)
Mm-hmm.

That's interesting that you're including the different energies in part of that.

Dr. Danny Geren (26:09)
Yeah, what does it mean to you?

James Ferrigno (26:10)
Yeah, think

yeah to me it means

Essentially compassion. It's kind of holding a space of love is what I'm doing. It's like I because I feel like when I really care about the person, which always happens when I'm in front of a person, but. That seems to create this situation for healing. It just. Just.

Dr. Danny Geren (26:19)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (26:43)
not absolutely alone, but I think as you referred to before, it does create a space for them to to connect up with their own spirit. And it seems pretty, pretty magical. It's like, I'll just sometimes it's like, I'm not really doing much grounding, you know, kind of that. And I might, you know, run a couple energies that I kind of automatically do. But

Dr. Danny Geren (26:51)
Right.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (27:13)
It's like kind of just letting them.

Dr. Danny Geren (27:13)
Thanks.

James Ferrigno (27:19)
you know, find their own way and kind of clearing the space around them. So there's not, it took me a while to realize I was doing this because I didn't really realize I was doing it. I'm not doing anything. Well, I am. And one of the things was I was really kind of creating a bubble around them and not letting others stuck into it so that other people's energy and other people's stuff, because sometimes some of the clients are in.

Dr. Danny Geren (27:40)
yeah.

James Ferrigno (27:48)
institutional setting so other issues going on around don't penetrate into that bubble and that can be and I know when I work with clients in that situation it's like kind of one of the biggest issues is just

Dr. Danny Geren (27:55)
Right. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (28:11)
being in that situation, they're where they are and it's a place that's kind of chaotic. They're there to be taken care of and healed, but it's not necessarily the most conducive space to healing.

Dr. Danny Geren (28:18)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, there's often so much intense

energy, emotional energy, spirits, all sorts of energy in those institutions. you know, even when I have people who undergo surgery, they often ask me to clear them energetically afterwards or to set up energetic protections for them beforehand so that they don't pick up stuff because it's so common. Like, there's nobody going in and clearing hospitals in the US of energy like that. They need space clearances, desperately.

but we're just filled with all this intense energy.

James Ferrigno (29:00)
Yeah, absolutely. That's what I have found is like that energy is just there's stuff in the moment that's actually happening then but then whatever's lingering around and it's ⁓ that really seems to keeping that out and clearing that out seems to be a huge part of allowing them to heal.

Dr. Danny Geren (29:18)
Absolutely. One

of the things that patients often ask me as I'm doing, especially I'm doing emotional spiritual work with them, they're like, well, what can I do? How can I hold space for this myself? And there's like a couple of things that I do or that I tend to teach them. ⁓ One is I tell them to create a ball of divine light, like just imagine a ball of divine light.

James Ferrigno (29:32)
Thank you.

Dr. Danny Geren (29:46)
and have it be filled with the flag. So four different intentions, forgiveness, love, acceptance, and gratitude. And have it filled with that. If they have a hard time finding that, then just ask the light to do that for them. Like they don't have to, but just set the intention that that's what's gonna happen if they can't find that forgiveness. And...

You know, with acceptance beats, I'm often like, it has no good to deny what's going on in this moment. So you're just accepting what's in this moment. It doesn't mean you're saying this is the way it's going to always be. You can always find gratitude at the very least for saying that whatever you're going through is teaching you something. You're going to learn something out of this and then send it love because love heals all things and see if you can forgive yourself or give it as possible. But then I say flood your body with that light.

Wherever you feel it in your body, just bring it through. And so that's like one of the big things. And I tell them the more that you do that, without trying to heal it, you're just holding space for it in that way. You'd be surprised how much of it naturally heals because you're actually present with it. And so that's the basis. And like when I'm teaching about spiritual healing, emotional healing, I always say, start with that. Forget doing all the tricks, all the things that you think are going to do to make it heal.

James Ferrigno (30:53)
Mm-hmm. ⁓

with a trip.

Dr. Danny Geren (31:08)
Start with that and then do it and you'll be surprised how much quicker and easier the healing happens.

James Ferrigno (31:16)
Yeah, maybe we can, yeah, maybe you can talk about that a little more, making it heal. Yeah, it's really something that I ran into in my own personal healing journey was working really hard to make the healing happen and having that really slow me down. So, yeah, I'd love to hear you speak to that.

Dr. Danny Geren (31:21)
Yeah, people are often like, or sorry, go ahead. I your question before I started.

Yeah.

Yeah, so ⁓ the style of meditation, I mentioned I started meditating around 21 years old more seriously. The style that I went deepest into was Buddhist meditation, specifically Vipassana or insight meditation. And it's all about being present here, but it's based on these principles around suffering. And so two of those main things that always stick out for me is like two of the causes of suffering are one, we want something and we're not getting it.

James Ferrigno (31:52)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (32:13)
Or two, we have something that's going

on and we don't want it and it's not going away. So we're either grasping towards something, trying to pull it into us and it's not happening, or we're trying to push something away and make it go away and it's not happening. And in that process, we're creating polarity. We're creating aversion. We're creating suffering because we're not getting what we want. And so the process of not making it heal and just being present with it.

James Ferrigno (32:34)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (32:41)
is what allows us to get out of that push-pull and into a place where we can be more neutral with it. And then in that place that we're in more neutrality, that's when healing can start to happen spontaneously. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (32:57)
So healing isn't something we consciously do, more of something we allow to happen.

Dr. Danny Geren (33:06)
We can consciously do it, if start from that place where we're more balanced or equanimous, like equanimity is a big term in Buddhism, ⁓ without aversion or grasping, like the wanting or the joy, then it allows the other types of healing. We can still work on consciously healing. It allows our work when we come from that place to be more smooth, to be more, yeah.

James Ferrigno (33:07)
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Bye.

Dr. Danny Geren (33:35)
to happen more easily.

James Ferrigno (33:36)
So then when you're doing other healing energies, you're coming from...

of not forcing it of being neutral. So this is balanced.

Dr. Danny Geren (33:50)
Yeah, being more balanced. Yeah, so that there's less resistance to the healing. Yeah,

because if I'm like, I hate this thing that's going on with me, this has to heal, this has to go away, it has to, it has to. We're coming from a place that's with almost aggression or I don't know, what's the word? Like forcing with, there's not a calm, peaceful healing that's happening.

And so you're creating more friction with it. Whereas if you're like, I'm holding space for this and then I'm gonna allow healing to happen, I'm still gonna do all the things I need to do. I'm gonna hold the intention that this is gonna heal, but it's not like this push, push, push, force, force, force, then it happens much more easily.

James Ferrigno (34:40)
Yeah, so we're not going against it. We're not pushing directly. Because when you push directly against something, yeah, it pushes back. I think everything in the universe is moving in a certain direction. Maybe similar to like, the keto or something, just kind of changing the course slightly rather than trying to stop it from existing, which is impossible, right?

Dr. Danny Geren (34:46)
It pushes back.

Yeah.

Yeah. ⁓

James Ferrigno (35:09)
it exists.

Dr. Danny Geren (35:11)
But you can transform it, right? And be transformed.

James Ferrigno (35:18)
Maybe I'll, I do this with my emotional transformative, some different exercises that kind of allow your emotion to exist, live with it, be with it. Then you kind of go to a neutral place and then kind of.

allow it to transform into something else, you know, to transform into ⁓ something where all the emotions have these, you know, different frequencies and stuff to the thing of the corollary frequency that's more positive. like, anger wants to be power and self respect and fear wants to be love and you know, like that.

Dr. Danny Geren (35:41)
Hmm.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (36:08)
but it's kind of a smooth allowing thing. And you give time for the first stage to, you know, to be, then just kind of gently coax it into becoming the other thing. Rather than, cause I, I had, what I learned was that, I keep feeling this, you know, whatever it is, fear, you know.

Dr. Danny Geren (36:22)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (36:31)
It's not that, I have this fear and it's lasting for hours. It's that I'm thinking about it and creating it again and again and again again. So it's allow it to exist for the first normal stage, which is really only like 15 seconds to two or three. It's not that long. And then rather than then think about other things, allow it to turn into the to the love aspect.

Dr. Danny Geren (36:38)
Hmm, right.

Hmm.

James Ferrigno (37:01)
That so pretty right. It just reminded me of that. That's something I do on a regular basis. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. know Carolyn Casey talks about spiraling, like instead of spiraling off of things, know, that spinning allows you to not be against it. Spiral it in something else.

Dr. Danny Geren (37:05)
Nice. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Yeah, stuff.

Yeah, it's

a good image.

James Ferrigno (37:31)
brought up a few things that I kind of like to talk about. ⁓ There are so many different terms and words and things that are kind of, think, challenging for people or misunderstood or confused about. And some of them are like intention, for instance. ⁓ Like, what does that mean to you? Like, what's the process of that?

Dr. Danny Geren (37:35)
Thanks.

Alright.

I'm more at the place these days

where your intentions or your prayers or whatever you want to call it, it's what you focus the most on. It's not just what you do when you like put your hands together, say what you want, but it's what you do day in and day out throughout the day. So like if you're focusing on this fear throughout the day and then you pray for, you know, something to

James Ferrigno (38:04)
Thank

Dr. Danny Geren (38:22)
be different than that in whatever way it is that you want to come true. 99 % of your day has been spent with the intention of fear. And so it's not to deny what you're feeling and what you're thinking, but we have a conscious choice of how we direct our minds and what we focus them on. So in whatever way we set the intention for that, you know, throughout the day, whatever we think on, that's what we bring into our existence.

James Ferrigno (38:31)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

That makes me think of dedication. So maybe, well, it's when you're really dedicated to something, you you keep it close to you, you keep it with you, you keep it top of mind. And so if you do that with fear, you're of, you're dedicated to the fear.

Dr. Danny Geren (38:55)
Hmm, in what way?

Hmm.

Yeah, right. Yeah. And of course there's other things like Academy teaches, you know, the eighth chakra meditation and like all that kind of stuff as a way of manifesting, right? And all of that's important and there's all sorts of different tools for that. But I really love that. Like, I can direct my mind throughout the day as much as possible and what it is that I want. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (39:16)
Thank

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I like that. ⁓ Something that I ⁓ struggled with for many years, maybe you can speak to this, is gratitude. People would say be grateful. So I would sit down and go, okay, I'm grateful. Wait, how do I do that?

Dr. Danny Geren (39:50)
Mm.

Hmm.

James Ferrigno (40:01)
Trying to conjure up the gratitude was, I'm not sure I ever did it. You know what mean? I don't know, do you have any insight into that?

Dr. Danny Geren (40:03)
Yeah.

Yeah.

It's something that I've been trying to consciously work on every morning. So I use this meditation app called the Insight Timer that just has, I mean, it's got a whole different things, but I'd use it for the timer so I can time my meditations. ⁓ But I always start with looking through because people talk about what it is that they're grateful for. And it's like things to huge things. It's like from breath or water to like

time with my loved ones to, I don't have cancer anymore. Like there's all these like wide range of things that people are grateful for. It always reminds me to like be, to look around and be like, ⁓ what's going on in my life that I'm, I'm happy for. I'm grateful for like, lucky I get to live on the water and go on the water once or twice a week. Like how amazing is that? And so sometimes I really feel it. And sometimes it feels just like I'm going through the motions, but I try to

James Ferrigno (41:02)
Yeah.

Dr. Danny Geren (41:02)
connect into my heart first and then focus on what it is I'm grateful for and it tends to make it stronger.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (41:12)
Yeah, I think that's what that process is meant for. Think of the things that you kind of know you're grateful for and then maybe they'll come up. I always did have trouble with that. They didn't necessarily bring me to a place of gratitude. I what I eventually determined was I'm not making myself more grateful. I'm just finding the gratitude I already have, just becoming aware of it.

rather than conjuring it up. Yeah, so it's awareness, really.

Dr. Danny Geren (41:46)
Yeah, right. And then whatever we focus on, we start to engender and get stronger and that's our intention. And then it just starts to naturally happen throughout the day more.

Yeah. Yeah.

Nice.

James Ferrigno (42:04)
Yeah, there's so many different nuances like this. ⁓

Forgiveness, I think is another one of these things. ⁓

I think there's a lot of misunderstanding around forgiveness and what it is. I it's maybe seen as a gift to someone who's wronged you, letting them off the hook. It may be something you don't really wanna do, but you're doing it because you're supposed to, or it's right, the thing to do, or you,

you know, want to show, you know, mercy or clemency to this person. are your thoughts around that?

Dr. Danny Geren (42:47)
Right.

Yeah, often on have had major issues with my brother. And it was a little over a year ago that I finally was like, am completely done. Like I cut him out for periods of times and then I would be like, okay, let's give him a try again. And I gave him warning. Like one of the things that one of my wife's spiritual teachers had mentioned was like, if there's something that's a deal breaker for you in any relationship with anyone.

James Ferrigno (43:01)
Thank

Dr. Danny Geren (43:21)
tell them what it is and then give them three strikes. If they do it again, warn them again, and then if they do it a third time, then you're just done, no more. And so I did that and I gave him four strikes, maybe five, but he kept verbally and emotionally abusive to me, very, well, very abusive. And I was like, I'm done, I can't do this anymore.

James Ferrigno (43:32)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (43:47)
And I was extremely angry, processing so much anger over all these years of doing all of this. Excuse me. And then it was like a couple months ago, I got to this place of forgiveness with him and the ego, the mind was like, well, if we forgive him, then we're letting him back in. like, no, we can forgive him without letting him back in. It doesn't mean I have to have him in my life anymore, but I can still forgive him.

James Ferrigno (44:15)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (44:17)
And the way that I got to that point was by greeting him spirit to spirit, going past his ego, past his mind, past his patterns, speaking directly to his spirit and thanking him because regardless of something for here for me to learn, there's something that's for my spirit that's going to get me to my next level in my growth, my evolution. And so getting to that place, I was like,

James Ferrigno (44:22)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Danny Geren (44:46)
I can forgive from this perspective. It helped me to get that. Yeah.

Doesn't mean you put up with the shit that they do.

James Ferrigno (44:53)
That's good.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the way I started to see it recently is more like the forgiving is for me, not for them. It's so that I'm not holding on to this energy. It's really me holding on to anger or.

Dr. Danny Geren (45:05)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (45:16)
It's drama, really. I'm victimizing myself and I'm holding myself in place of victimhood. And the forgiving is so that I can free myself from that and take back my own power. And it really doesn't have all that much to do with them. And it doesn't mean, yeah, I have to speak to them ever or let them in my life. Certainly nothing like that. I mean, there is a sense of.

Dr. Danny Geren (45:22)
Right.

James Ferrigno (45:45)
Everyone does what they do whatever happens happens. They did the best they could they simply are in the place they're in and There's no blame around that because that's what they're doing. I just don't let her be around it

Dr. Danny Geren (45:55)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. And we can have compassion because they're suffering. They're treating other people that way. How are they treating themselves? Yeah.

James Ferrigno (46:08)
People tend to reflect the way they were treated.

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. So we're gonna wrap up here pretty soon, but before we finish up, if there's like one thing you could say to people, especially for people who are stuck, people who just don't know what to do next, or they've tried a lot of things and they're not working. ⁓

Any words of wisdom either one technique they could do or an area they could start with, or maybe something that you did that really helped you.

Dr. Danny Geren (46:45)
Yeah,

honestly, it's that technique that I mentioned before with flag, the divine light with forgiveness, love, acceptance and gratitude. ⁓ Like honestly, that's don't expect it to be like all of a sudden you're like, I'm better. But like the more you do it and you build momentum and you continuously practice that the stronger it gets and the easier it gets. ⁓ Other thing that I love to do is ⁓ love running.

James Ferrigno (46:51)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Dr. Danny Geren (47:12)
a violet flame through my body. It's very purifying, both emotionally and physically. And then I'll also run a rose pink flame, which is very loving energy, and run that through my body. And the two of those together are really helpful. And again, it's the same thing. Like if you try it once and you're like, ah, it didn't work, you're not really getting it. You have to practice these energies more and more. And the more you do it, the stronger it gets, but it takes time.

James Ferrigno (47:24)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, it does, takes time. And remember to ground first.

Dr. Danny Geren (47:43)
Yeah.

Yes, grounding is always the best thing to do. What can you let

go of into there so that Mother Earth can take care of it for us?

James Ferrigno (47:53)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Yeah, I haven't tried the the ball of light with those four particular things. Let's see how that goes. All right, Danny, thank you for having this conversation. It was a really good time.

Dr. Danny Geren (48:06)
Yeah, let me know.

Yeah.

Yeah, likewise, I appreciate it. Always happy to be here. It's good to see you again.

James Ferrigno (48:22)
Yeah, it's good to see you too. All right. You have a good day.

Dr. Danny Geren (48:27)
Yeah, you too.