Say It Anyway

James Ferrigno (00:01)
Hello, welcome to Say It Anyway. I'm James Ferreño and our guest today is Lisa Guerin, co-founder of Radiant Spaces.

Lisa (00:12)
Yes, hi so happy to be here with you James. Thanks so much for having us Having me on today As you mentioned, I am a co-founder of radiant spaces and we are an energetic space clearing company where we work with the energy of land of homes offices, honestly any space that might need some refreshing and you know, we we care for not only just

the actual property and land, but all occupants who are going to be in that space. we ⁓ have always been driven by the mission that we like to share the tools and knowledge that we've gained through some of our education and training and share that with people to make their homes and spaces feel like a sanctuary.

James Ferrigno (01:04)
Nice, nice. how did you first discover energetic space clearing and what drew you to this profession?

Lisa (01:13)
That's a great question because if you were to have asked me even five, six years ago, if I would be operating a space clearing business, I would have laughed because I actually have a background in counseling and palliative care and hospice work. So for 20 years of my professional career, I was deeply immersed in caring for patients and families at the end of life. ⁓ So.

You know, lot of people say, well, how did you get to space clearing from, you know, working in that arena? And I will say though, as, you know, working with families at a very difficult time, that there is a lot of energy that is present and a lot of it can feel very intense and uncomfortable. And, you know, I didn't at that time have a lot of tools to work with the energetics of what, you know, conditions and environments I was in.

James Ferrigno (01:42)
Yes.

Lisa (02:08)
And I had wished that I had had those tools. And I found my way to a very ⁓ interesting school called the Academy of Intuition Medicine. That's located in Sausalito, California. And it was just ⁓ quite an oasis of tools and learning from, you know, some very intuitive people and teachers where I got to learn a lot of different tools about working with energy and my own energy field.

James Ferrigno (02:12)
you

Yeah.

Lisa (02:37)
And so after I graduated from that certification, I was looking for ways to put it to use. And that's when I met my now business partner, Renee Eisen, and she had the idea that we could really utilize these energetic tools with spaces. And so she suggested ⁓ us working together as a tandem, as a duo. And, ⁓ you know, I had always been very sensitive, even as a child.

James Ferrigno (02:43)
place for energy use.

Lisa (03:04)
I picked up on energies, you know, when I was younger. ⁓ I remember when I was about six or seven asking my mom about reincarnation and her not knowing what to do with those questions. So I had always had a sense that we are, you know, spiritual beings living in a human embodiment and not the other way around. So once I had these tools from the Academy of Intuition Medicine, I

James Ferrigno (03:21)
Yeah.

Lisa (03:32)
agreed with Renee that, yeah, we could really help make people's spaces feel really good because it's such a place where we get nourished. And if we don't feel good in our homes and spaces, then we're bringing that out into the world. So if we can give people tools and knowledge to empower them to feel good and let their spaces feel uplifted, then I thought, yeah, let's do this together. This sounds like a great idea.

James Ferrigno (03:35)
because it's such a place where you can get enriched and if we don't go there

So we can get people to listen to college too.

Yeah, I love that empowering others to be able to do it because in the end, it really comes down to us to ⁓ make sure our environment internally and externally is what we need it to be.

Lisa (04:11)
Absolutely. Yep,

it's a both and for sure. ⁓

James Ferrigno (04:16)
I love the way you said that.

So you're a right key master. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Lisa (04:23)
Yes, yes. ⁓ you know, as I mentioned a little bit about working in hospice care, ⁓ I was very drawn to just, you know, the experience of not just the patient, but the family's emotional well-being at this time, and was looking for ways that I might support families, even, you know, outside of the social work role, so to speak. And so I... ⁓

James Ferrigno (04:33)
the experience of not just the patients but the family.

support for the police, even outside of the social workforce. And so I was

Lisa (04:50)
connected with a teacher in San Francisco who taught Reiki and she said, oh, you're a great candidate

James Ferrigno (04:50)
committed to a future in San Francisco, and she said, oh,

Lisa (04:56)
because you are working with people who probably could use some assistance energetically with what they're dealing with. And so I took classes from her and I did become a Reiki master. So I went through this, you know, several certifications and I started actually using Reiki with patients and families. And it really was, I failed.

very meaningful for them and provided a lot of like energetic release and support. And I noticed that the patients that were interested in having Reiki, they would report to me, know, days later that their pain levels were less. And so yes, they were on pain medication, but sometimes they were still having experiences of discomfort. And one, I remember one gentleman.

James Ferrigno (05:22)
So, we should.

Mmm.

Lisa (05:44)
had cancer that was in the bones and it was very painful for him. And I did a Reiki session and the next day he said, my pain is at zero and when can you come back? Yeah, so I knew that there was something to this energetic modality ⁓ and I just was really excited to continue to grow in it and to expand it. And I do think that's what ultimately helped lead me to the Academy of Intuition Medicine was just knowing how powerful Reiki was.

James Ferrigno (05:54)
Wow.

Lisa (06:13)
And so I was excited to learn that there's even more energetic tools out there that I hadn't discovered yet. So yeah, it all seems to have dovetailed quite well.

James Ferrigno (06:25)
Thank

Yeah, it really came together, huh? As things do. Yeah, I'm a graduate of the academy myself. In fact, Renee was in my class there. I'm interested in this, the pain, my experience with just...

Lisa (06:41)
⁓ fantastic.

James Ferrigno (06:53)
seeing people in hospice or hospitals is that the painkillers that they're using, all the pharmaceutical painkillers, there really isn't anything that actually takes away the severe pain, least in my experience that I've seen, even when people are given a lot of morphine, it doesn't eliminate the pain. And even my own personal experience was given very strong painkillers and, you know, lessened it.

Lisa (07:10)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (07:21)
But yeah, so I like, I'm interested that the reiki could actually take it away entirely. At least that's a possibility.

Lisa (07:28)
Yes,

it was pretty amazing that he had had such a big transformation of that level of discomfort. ⁓ And, you know, one thing that I have learned too ⁓ is not that I'm an acupuncturist because I'm not, but I ⁓ am an acutonics practitioner and acutonics uses the same meridian system that acupuncturists would.

James Ferrigno (07:48)
an epitomic practitioner. In epitomics, we use the same nerve system that our culture is

good, but we use several tools. We use two important systems. And we have a different system.

Lisa (07:56)
we use sound tools, use tuning forks instead of needles. And what I've noticed is that sound waves,

of course, are a frequency. And because of their nature, they can actually penetrate very deeply into tissues, including into the bone, which is sometimes a harder place to reach when there's pain in a bone or marrow. ⁓ going back to just the Reiki, it's this idea that, you know, I know that sound waves and energetic

Frequencies aren't something that we can see easily, but people experience the actual feeling of it. And there's no barrier like there would be with a needle. It can only go so far, right? You don't want to drive a needle in further than is appropriate because of anatomy. But with sound waves and energy, that's not an issue. And so because of that, I feel like it can get deeper and really move the stuck energy or the congested energy or where there is

James Ferrigno (08:25)
frequency.

Lisa (08:54)
stagnation or whatever is happening where there's a pain ⁓ area. So I feel like those two ideas really play into, yes, it can be more effective because of that, you know, reasoning.

James Ferrigno (09:08)
Yeah, I'm interested in the sound waves myself. I fairly recently became interested in the tuning forks and bought a couple of them. You know, I read a little bit, but I really don't know what I'm doing precisely, but you know, just trying to use them. yeah, so what's here? Have you worked with a lot of people with the tuning forks and, you know, what's been the result of that?

Lisa (09:33)
Yes, I am very passionate about the tuning forks and the sound healing because I have experienced it not only working with people, but myself. ⁓ And it has been extremely effective for my own health conditions that I've been working on. ⁓ So, Accutonix is, it's a really elegant, beautiful system of working with a number of tuning forks at different Hertz frequencies or the rate at which something vibrates.

and it produces different tones or notes. And so I like to say it's kind of like painting with sound. You get to use lots of different tuning forks in a session. They all do something a little bit different. There are actually forks that are made to help alleviate pain. There's forks that actually are created to help cool down the body or if someone's really cold, actually warm up the body. There are also forks that are

great for relaxation, stress reduction, anxiety reduction. And interestingly enough, there's even forks that are created to help with releasing pain and trauma. So it's a really interesting system with different sound waves. And, ⁓ you know, one of my favorite books is actually called, There's No Place Like Om, O-M, which is all about the fact that our bodies ⁓ are, they understand sound.

James Ferrigno (10:53)
Yeah.

Lisa (10:59)
and they know what to do with it. So when a body receives sound, the sound like a reiki treatment would goes to the right place. It just knows where to move. And if you're putting forks on a certain meridian point, it's going to access that meridian as a gateway and it's going to move throughout the body. And so sometimes I'll be working on, let's say someone's feet ⁓ and they're saying, my gosh, I'm feeling it in my shoulder. And it's that sound moving all the way through a meridian and it can reach different places. So.

It's really effective and what I love about it is it does not hurt. There's no pain in the game here. ⁓ You can have a really relaxing, lovely, effective treatment without having any sensation of discomfort because the sound is gentle.

James Ferrigno (11:29)
Yeah.

Yeah, so I assume when you're doing a session with someone, you can do the Reiki, maybe use the tuning forks. And I think I read that you use the bowls as well. Yes.

Lisa (12:03)
Yes, exactly. can use a variety

of tools because they all work together. So the reiki, the sound ⁓ from the bowls, the tuning forks. And so the tuning forks are used on the body, but also off the body in the auric field as well. So it's really nice that you have many different access points to help move energy and get things flowing again for the client.

James Ferrigno (12:21)
So, really, we'll come back to that at point to help you understand the end.

Okay, I love that, that's fantastic. Why don't we swing back to the space clearing, some more of the external. ⁓ Can you describe what that is for someone who might not know exactly, might not really have a concept of, wait, what are they actually doing?

Lisa (12:33)
Yeah.

Absolutely. I like to say that we're mostly all space clearing even if we don't know that we are, ⁓ because space clearing is all about uplifting and shifting your space into a higher frequency of energy. And we can do that in many ways. It doesn't have to be complicated. You know, when someone cleans their home and has gratitude for it and maybe brings in fresh flowers or plays music that is fun and inspiring, that's space clearing.

James Ferrigno (13:00)
Thanks for watching.

Lisa (13:21)
because that's elevating your space, that's bringing in positivity. And so I like to say that we're all kind of doing it. We just may not be aware of it or we might not realize, you know, ⁓ the effect that it may even be having. ⁓ I love to explain space clearing to clients who may not have that sensor, that, you know, vocabulary that, you know, everybody has kind of a sense or a vibe when they walk into a place. For example,

James Ferrigno (13:25)
Thanks.

Lisa (13:48)
Let's say someone just ⁓ walked into a cathedral that just hosted a beautiful wedding. I bet they're gonna feel a sense of awe or like, you know, enjoyment or uplift because something beautiful just happened there and it's probably adorned with beautiful flowers and it just is gonna have that vibe. Whereas on the contrasting experience, maybe you've walked into a room where someone just had a conflict with someone.

James Ferrigno (13:50)
Thank you.

Bye.

Lisa (14:16)
And there's that like common saying of, wow, you can really cut the, you know, tension with a knife in here. So we're, so these feelings and these vibes are very palpable, I think. And we just don't necessarily connect it with space glaring, although we're experiencing it. ⁓ we work a lot with realtors who are trying to either sell homes or get people to come and purchase them. And they'll say to us, you know, we've staged it beautifully. You know, we're.

doing open houses, we're doing everything we can think of to advertise and this place is just not finding its next owners or it's not selling. And we'll come in and we'll do a space clearing and really shift the energy, uplift it, move out old stagnant energy. And sure enough, usually within a short period of time, the places are purchased or they're sold. And... ⁓

They'll say, well, what did you do? And we say, well, it's all about the vibration. You know, we're gonna, we're gonna move some energy. We're gonna let go what needs to be released. And then we're gonna also bring in ⁓ the positive intentions because you never want to just let something go. You want to bring in blessings too. So it's a two, two pronged kind of approach and it's very effective. It really works. I like to also describe it as emotional weather where

James Ferrigno (15:37)
So, I

Lisa (15:39)
You know, when we go out into the world and sometimes we have not fun experiences or intense experiences,

James Ferrigno (15:41)
that's a very interesting experience.

Lisa (15:47)
we may come back into our spaces and kind of carry that weather with us, right? You know, ⁓ and our spaces collect the same imprint. So as we bring in energy, it's going to build up within our homes. So if we don't get, you know, space clearings from time to time that are really intentional and focused, our spaces kind of collect all of that layering.

James Ferrigno (16:04)
and 50.

Lisa (16:10)
So we're kind of clearing out the old weather and we're bringing in some sunshine.

James Ferrigno (16:16)
That's a good idea. I'll to tell that to my house in a while. think it's about time.

Lisa (16:18)
Yeah!

Yeah, well give us a call.

James Ferrigno (16:27)
So what's the connection as you see it between a space and the people who are there, who are in the space, who maybe live or work there?

Lisa (16:41)
Yeah, there's a def- I feel like there's definitely a connection. I feel like, you know, when we are living in a space, it's, it's such a, it's such a nurturing place for us to be. Hopefully when we go into our homes, wherever that may be, it's kind of the place where we can really like relax and allow our guard to come down. Cause when we're out in the world.

There's a lot of energy and a lot of people and a lot of things that we have to contend with. And so when we're at our own home space, hopefully that's a place where it does feel good or it can be a place of relaxation, but it does depend on who else is there with us. We might have people living with us or roommates or pets, and we kind of are adding to the equation now, right? So it's not just ourselves, it's all these other energies. And so sometimes, you know, energies, um,

are kind of building up that might not be the most conducive to relaxation or sanctuary or feeling good. And so we may need to address that, whether that's sometimes, ⁓ you know, a change in the occupants or working with someone individually. I've actually worked with a lot of people who've had roommate situations where it wasn't feeling very harmonious. And so they wanted some help energetically.

James Ferrigno (17:39)
the first two years of my education, I was actually working on a few things.

Lisa (18:03)
And I will tell you the power of focused intention is extraordinary. And we've seen a lot of huge transformations in a short amount of time. So we like to say that it's not about energy being bad or good. It's really about what's going to serve people's highest good. And we talk about it in terms of more like stagnant energy and flowing energy. And so our goal is to help the energy to be in flow and in harmony.

So we're not so much concerned about, there's negative energy in your home. You know, it's more like, how do we get things to flow? How are we going to harmonize here? And that's our focus. And that seems to have worked very, very well for our clients.

James Ferrigno (18:47)
Yeah, you get what you focus on, ⁓

Lisa (18:49)
Yeah, you absolutely do. Where your intention goes,

The energy is flowing.

James Ferrigno (18:56)
Absolutely.

So does, how does your intuition guide you when you're doing a clearing or working with someone?

Lisa (19:07)
definitely ⁓ a main tool that we use. And so when Renee and I get invited, and we always say invited because it does feel like an honor to be invited into someone's space, whether that's a home space, a workspace, you know, even if someone wanted us to do ⁓ like a venue, you know, things like hotels and meeting spaces like that. It's always an honor because it is a more intimate.

You know, you're coming in, you're seeing someone's belongings and pictures and, you know, meeting family and or friends, pets. So we always first, you know, express our gratitude for the opportunity to be part of that experience with someone in their family or who their occupants are. And we always also start with a land acknowledgement. Actually, I don't think I mentioned this yet, but, ⁓ you know, as we know, like we're in the Bay Area, right, of California today.

James Ferrigno (19:37)
this way.

Thank

Thank you.

Lisa (20:03)
And around us were many different native tribes, including like the coastal Miwok tribes, especially around San Francisco. And those were, they were the first settlers here. And so a lot of times when we use our intuition, we tune in and we often feel Native American energy because it's present. It's very strong in the land here. And so to start, often will do an acknowledgement of the fact that those tribes were the original, you know, stewards of the land.

And we always ask to harmonize with the energy. We're not trying to move the energy out in a way because it's not negative. It's simply that sense of honoring. And that has been very powerful for a lot of places where maybe that hadn't been done before, where the energy is very ⁓ intensified in some places. So ⁓ our intuition definitely guides us as to when to bring that part in. And then we also

James Ferrigno (20:34)
Thanks for coming.

Lisa (21:00)
Take some time to meditate with the space. We actually asked the space energetically for permission to do some work with it and I think we've only ever had one space that we got to know That it wasn't time to work on it. And so we honored that. Mm-hmm Every other time we got a yes, please help, know, or please Work with this ⁓ this energy signature. So our intuition is very important and then it also

James Ferrigno (21:02)
in the case of a serious injury or a stress disorder, and a general condition, that you still can't get rid of. And that's the reason why I'm doing this.

If it

is so, it's something else that you can't just see.

Lisa (21:30)
is something where as we tune into a space

and the land around it, because whenever we do a space clearing, we don't leave out the perimeter. We'll do the whole thing. So we don't just, you know, skip apart or anything. And we go room to room. So we make sure we hit all the different areas. And oftentimes we get information from spaces. We have gotten some very interesting things like some spaces have wanted certain colors in the home.

and that gets communicated to us because for whatever reason those colors have a vibration that the space wants. Sometimes I get information about certain sound like this house needs a Tibetan singing bowl because the house really likes that vibration or ⁓ sometimes we'll get you know certain crystals that would be beneficial to the space that actually comes through quite a bit and we'll get very specific what we call crystal prescriptions.

James Ferrigno (22:12)
Thank

Mm-hmm.

Lisa (22:27)
And we'll share that with the owner

and the occupants. And what we've noticed is that when we make these recommendations for after the clearing, we check in with all of our clients about a week afterwards, just to make sure those positive shifts have been happening. And it's amazing what the shifts are and the changes are even within a week, sometimes two weeks.

James Ferrigno (22:37)
We check in all the time, so we need after this to see if can do something. And if we can do something, can do it in terms of, in terms of our students, and maybe sometimes in two

Very, very interesting. love that. It's made me think about in my life what I've done in the past and people I've worked with that having the environment be what you want it to be and having the environment be something that helps support you rather than drags you down or takes energy from you in some way.

Lisa (22:52)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (23:16)
is kind of a it's really one of the bedrocks to really your own success, career, health, and all the other things that we want to achieve in life. And maybe you can talk a little bit about that Yeah, that's a really, really good question.

Lisa (23:34)
Yes, that's a really, ⁓ really great point, James. It

really is. You really have drilled down to the fact that, you know, we're talking about ⁓ setting ourselves up for success and not just in, you know, one area or a couple areas, but really a foundational part, which is our spaces and places where we hopefully, you know, get the... ⁓

rejuvenation that we need to go out into the world and do hopefully all the wonderful things we want to do. And I agree with you that, you know, when your space feels good and the energy is flowing and it feels positive and you've got focused intention and gratitude happening in your space, I really do feel like doors just open up in your world and you're moving in the flow of the universe instead of

James Ferrigno (24:06)
Thank

this year.

Thanks

Lisa (24:28)
against it or, you know, struggling and ⁓ just not having the wind at your back, so to speak. I really do feel like ⁓ gratitude is one of those foundational pillars that we have found when people have gratitude for their space. That is a really powerful intention and a powerful force. And sometimes people have had houses and spaces that have given them a lot of problems like

James Ferrigno (24:29)
if you start looking at it.

I way to say

Lisa (24:56)
Maybe there's a lot

James Ferrigno (24:57)
thank

Lisa (24:57)
of repairs that keep having to be done or there's issues, you know, going on in the neighborhood and it doesn't always feel so great. You know, sometimes people have conflicts with their neighbors and there's all sorts of things that can make people not feel so great about their, their space. And sometimes we'll say, if you can't get to gratitude, can you get to neutrality? And let's begin there instead of having, you know, any sense of just resentment.

James Ferrigno (25:04)
Thank

It's a tough one.

Lisa (25:25)
you know, further spaces. And we found that when people could either get to neutrality and then move into gratitude, huge shifts started happening. Problematic neighbors started being friendlier or even just decide to move away and new fun neighbors move in or, you know, roommates that were problems all of a sudden are finding a new place to go or new people are coming in. And it's really fun to just see like how the universe is moving.

James Ferrigno (25:38)
Okay.

Lisa (25:54)
all these pieces on the chessboard, so to speak. And by unlocking these more positive vibrations, more follows, you know, it magnetizes and brings in ⁓ a lot of opportunity and really beautiful developments. So it's really nice to be able to help people ⁓ feel like they're not stuck. ⁓ In fact, some people feel have come to us and said, we don't think that this space is ever going to be.

James Ferrigno (25:56)
is on the gist of what it's supposed to be. And the key points were positive, which means we were almost here.

So it has come to me.

Lisa (26:22)
cleared and feel good and we think it might be cursed. And so we get that a lot. And oftentimes what we found is that no, there's no real quote unquote curse. It's just a lot of buildup of old energy that just needs to be shifted. And ⁓ we have some funny stories about getting calls from even offices in the Bay Area where they're like, nobody wants to sit in this particular office. Everyone thinks that it's got like,

bad vibes, you know, and can you come and clear it? Because we really need to use this office space or this conference room and we'll go, we'll do our service. And then they're like fighting over who can move into the office afterwards. They're like, it feels so much better. So yeah, it can happen very quickly, which is nice.

James Ferrigno (27:09)
that's fantastic. ⁓

I happen to have this situation going on in my house right now and I'm going to ask you about it and then hopefully it can be instructive for other people So for about two months now I've had just incredible problems with the house I live in and it's...

Lisa (27:18)
Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (27:30)
it started out with me having a few bites and then it turned out there were mites and it turned out they were rat mites and then it turned out there were rats and it turned out they were in the walls and blah blah blah. So it's been months of pest control and just endless things and traps and I've been trying to do blessings and do energetic things

Lisa (27:41)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (27:50)
and then it's like there's rats and then they're in the heater so you can't use the heater and then it's stuff's coming up through the vents anyway it's just been just a nightmare right it just goes on and on and on right and most of my time for the last month i'd say has been spent

Lisa (28:01)
Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (28:12)
cleaning things, washing things, fixing things, calling people. And it started to take up way too much time. that some of my comfort and love of the space has deteriorated and it's started to turn into some anger is coming up and a real negative feeling about the space. And I realized that I'm contributing to it, but.

How can I get out of that? I liked what you said about just being neutral first, trying to get to some space like that. But it's interesting that we're doing this interview right now while this happens to be occurring. And I think it has affected other areas of my life.

Lisa (28:39)
Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (28:57)
but I'm certain it's having some some effect on things ⁓ and ⁓ I'm gonna stay pretty positive through all of it and kind of roll with it and accept it but

Lisa (29:06)
Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (29:10)
At certain point, it's exhausting. So ⁓ I don't know if was that, have you encountered situations like that what would you do? What, or something like that?

Lisa (29:13)
Sure, sure.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, firstly, I'm sorry to hear that you've been going through those challenges. That is tiring and it is difficult,

especially because there's variables that probably feel a little out of control. You know, like with the pest that you're dealing with, it's like, you know, one thing to control your own behavior and experience in the home, but another thing when there's something coming in, it's like, it's an intrusion, you know, dealing with an intrusion. Yeah.

And that's a very, you know, on a basic level, it's kind of a, it is a violation of your space. So to honor that first, you know, to just understand like, yeah, that that's really ⁓ challenging and uncomfortable. And like you said, pretty tiring, pretty taxing. And we, and yes, we do get, you know, people calling us with, you know, they're saying all of a sudden our house is experiencing ABC issue. ⁓

James Ferrigno (29:53)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

same agency issue.

Lisa (30:16)
So sometimes it's pests. Sometimes it's, have a lot of people call because of water intrusions,

James Ferrigno (30:17)
sometimes it's pests, sometimes it's we have to come up a lot of people talking because of water and trees.

Lisa (30:23)
leaks and floods and pipes bursting and they don't know why that's happening. And so one thing that Renee and I will always do is we will tune into your space and we do a holistic kind of assessment intuitively where we look at, ⁓ we feel what the energy currently is. So we're looking for the current frequency and we're tuning in, tapping in and really

James Ferrigno (30:42)
for the students here.

Lisa (30:46)
⁓ identifying it and going, okay, you know, it feels pretty good here, here, here, but ⁓ over here, we're feeling some of that stagnation or congestion of energy. So we know we have to figure out what's going on there. And then we also look at the elements, know, earth, air, water, fire, ether. ⁓ We do check on the energetics of the elements and sometimes an element is out of balance. So again, for like homes with a lot of like plumbing issues, we might need to work on the

James Ferrigno (31:04)
Mm-hmm.

Lisa (31:16)
on the water element or people having foundational problems or cracks in the house or things going on with the land. might look at the earth element and so on and so on. know, fire, obviously for fire or ⁓ things happening in the house. So with yours, it might be an earth element issue. I'm not sure I'd have to do my tuning in process, but yeah, we would look at that for you and we would try to pinpoint where the imbalance might be.

And then if it's strictly energetic, we'll let you know. ⁓ Sometimes it's a combination of factors. It might be that there are just physical things to do, know, said area needs this particular intervention with, I understand like ⁓ rats and things, don't like peppermint oils. We might say, have you thought about spraying some peppermint oil? You know, like real, ⁓ just.

you know, physical things to do. then energetically, we might look at that part of the house and say, okay, it needs, you know, uplifting. So we're going to give you some crystals that are going to help raise the vibration. And hopefully as the vibration raises, it's naturally going to provide you with solutions to restore that balance where those pests aren't coming in anymore.

James Ferrigno (32:16)
the past. ⁓

to restore the outlets for our business for coming in.

Good, good. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I've noticed in the past, this may sound a little weird, ⁓ when this happened before, it was like so clear that it was someone living here kind of had, that's not good intentions and kind of this manipulative behavior that was going on beneath the surface, I think.

Lisa (32:36)
Yeah, so we can look at it from a few different angles.

Mm-hmm.

James Ferrigno (33:04)
It was very rat-like energy. And I remember that happening before. So I was kind of looking for that, but I'm not seeing that. it's something else. I also did see that it's nationwide. There's a nationwide huge rat infestation since January.

Lisa (33:06)
Yeah.

Yeah, it is interesting though.

very interesting. Yeah. So it could be ⁓ also a collective energy too, like looking at, you know, groups of energies and being like, is going on with these quote unquote energetic intrusions, right? Where are we feeling invaded or violated as a collective and maybe look into that too, versus, you know, individual experiences ⁓ popping up. yeah, cause if you think about it, I love this quote by

James Ferrigno (33:27)
you

Lisa (33:51)
I think it's Nikola Tesla who says, the secrets of the universe are always found in your energy and vibrations and frequencies. So in my mind, I'm always going, what's the energy vibration and frequency of said situation? How do we reverse engineer, you know, to get back to balance?

James Ferrigno (33:53)
And this is the second.

Yes.

Oh, I love that. That is great. Yeah. So if you had like, you know, without breaking client confidentiality, has there ever been an experience you had where it was memorable and where you were doing space carrying and it had an impact on you?

Lisa (34:15)
Yeah.

Yes, ⁓ absolutely. I do remember ⁓ being invited to do a space clearing for a wonderful client who was the owner of ⁓ like a, I think a double level, like a duplex. And so she wanted to rent out one side of it and then keep the other side for herself. And it was in a beautiful neighborhood. So the neighborhood was just very appealing.

The house itself was really nice. She had done some remodeling. She had added a beautiful garden outside. And so was really lovely. And it was like a very sunny neighborhood. So it had great weather. And she could not rent out that part of her building no matter what she did. And she just said, okay, I need to call in somebody because I don't understand. Like, what else can I do? You know, it's beautiful. ⁓

James Ferrigno (35:04)
Thank you.

Lisa (35:28)
She was a very sweet person, so I think she'd be a fantastic landlord. It was clean, you know, was sunny, it had flowers. I mean, it was checking a lot of boxes. It was affordable. so ⁓ we came in and I immediately was drawn to go to the primary bedroom area of the home. And I felt James such a wave of grief. Like it almost brought tears to my eyes. I was really impacted right away.

And oftentimes I can be in a very neutral state when I'm in someone's home and have really good energetic protections up and boundaries, but I really felt like sobbing. was very unusual. And so I started to use some sound instruments, which are excellent at doing some really deep clearing. And I was, you know, going through some of my tools. I was in this space and I just started to almost feel as if it had been, um,

James Ferrigno (36:09)
It's a place to use successful students which are excellent.

Lisa (36:27)
a previous owner, like I felt the energy of a previous owner and I thought it had something to do with a death, sort of grieving experience. So as we were moving through the space and doing our work at the end, I asked the owner, I said, would you mind telling us if there's any history about this building? I experienced this feeling of deep grief and I felt it was from a previous owner. And she said, you're correct. I don't want to say anything to you guys, but...

There was a gentleman who lived here who was a dad and he had a son that went off into World War II. So it was that time period. And his son never came home. His son died overseas in the war and he was so brokenhearted. He actually passed away in that bedroom and the neighbors really were so sad about it. said they had, she had heard stories that the father died of a broken heart over his son.

James Ferrigno (36:58)
it's keeping that a center, it's keeping it on the web for two, so it's that tiny period.

and I'll see you soon.

Yeah.

Lisa (37:23)
And I felt it, James. I really did helpably feel that experience in the space. So I knew that space was just holding onto it. And so, um, I was really happy that we could help her just move that energy on. We honored it, but then we also, you know, moved it, moved it into the light. And within, I want to say like a week, maybe week and a half, she contacted us and she said, I have found the perfect tenant. I am so happy they're moving in.

James Ferrigno (37:32)
and sit.

Lisa (37:52)
Like it just, that needed to happen in order for this person to feel magnetized to the place. And she contacted us a year after we did the at space clearing and said, I just want to let you know, I still have that same tenant. The tenant is wonderful. We are so happy. It's very harmonious. The house feels great still. Thank you so much for what you did because it really made a big difference. And that story really touched me. ⁓

James Ferrigno (38:17)
it's a little bit different. And that's a story that will be kind of

Lisa (38:21)
And especially to know that, you know, she had such a wonderful situation happen after the clearing with the new person moving in. So

James Ferrigno (38:22)
And especially in the position of physician, the physician should be with the person's experience.

Lisa (38:29)
yeah, it can be very transformational, you know.

James Ferrigno (38:34)
I've, that's great.

had some experiences myself with spaces and there are some spaces that feel really, really good. Like for me, just Hawaii, for instance, it's like, could, it can just feel it, you know, it's just so yeah, right. And, and other places, rooms especially can be, I've had some that there was this one in my.

Lisa (38:53)
It's a magical place.

James Ferrigno (39:05)
grandmother's house that was just always scared me as a kid and then it came to learn years later that my great-grandmother was in bed in that room for like 10 years or over 10 years dying and miserable so ⁓ and you know someone who's dying for that long there's something else going on there clearly but that room always scared me as a kid I remember

Lisa (39:17)
mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

James Ferrigno (39:30)
And I've been in other spaces like that too. It's interesting. yeah, so, I've always wondered, it's like the space, you know.

in the universe or is like are the objects like in the room soaking up the energy of the person or something or reflecting it back and I've wondered about that do you have any sense of that

Lisa (39:51)
Yeah. That's a really great question. I really like that question because it's so thoughtful and

insightful because I do think it's a both and experience. do think feel like the space energetically, like just as a container, as an energetic field absorbs imprints of energy. But I also think objects can be imbued with energy. If you think about like, let's say someone who has a what they call a special talisman.

James Ferrigno (40:19)
and how

it's meant.

Lisa (40:20)
and they imbue it with meaning and that talisman then for them becomes something energetically powerful, whether that's for good or bad, you know, whether they imbue it with like, this is my protecting object or, you know, the idea of people infusing things into jewelry or crystals or whatever you would like to name. So I feel like it's both where the energetic field itself is holding imprints.

James Ferrigno (40:39)
Yeah.

Lisa (40:49)
and then our furniture, our objects, even our clothing, you know, hold things. It's really interesting, James, when we've ⁓ recently done some homes that really, you know, we noticed that there was some really stagnant energy there, which is very common. We were drawn right away to people's closets. Interestingly, our closets hold our clothes, right? Our shoes, our purses, our bags.

James Ferrigno (41:15)
Mm-hmm.

Lisa (41:15)
And,

⁓ Renee and I have found that we've had to do a lot of clearing in people's storage spaces as well. And I was thinking about that. I was like, well, it makes sense because the clothing that we're wearing out into the world, we're collecting energies as we're moving through time and space and in different experiences. And then it comes back to like a pretty tightly enclosed space. It was probably not a lot of air flow. It's not like it probably, you know, is getting sunshine and getting all, you know, nature. So it makes sense that.

those areas can be supercharged. And we have been finding that the closets are often hotspots, so to speak. So yeah, it is interesting. I do think it's a combination of factors there.

James Ferrigno (41:46)
the super test.

It's a combination of temperature

and Okay, yeah, I've always wondered if the walls are soaking up, you know, the grief or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting, the actual space itself as well.

Lisa (42:04)
Yeah.

James Ferrigno (42:11)
Yeah, and it's interesting. I went to the academy as well and there they teach you to do neutral separations from other people so you can separate from others energy that you encounter in the world. And I've always done that, but it's interesting to think that there could be energy in my clothing that I haven't really paid attention to that at all. So.

Lisa (42:24)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

It is true. It's not something I think that we naturally think of, you know? And it doesn't mean, you know, because again, there's a lot of varied experiences and there can be so, you know, such positive experiences. I remember when one client was like, you know, tell me what you feel when you're in the closet. And Renee and I both zeroed in on one blouse that she had and we...

you know, brought it to her and we said, this blouse is carrying a lot of intense energy. And she said, well, that makes sense. I had, you know, such and such a conflict with a certain person while wearing that blouse. And, you know, there's a part of me that wondered if I should get rid of it. And she looked at us and we were like, good idea. You know, sometimes you just need to get things in and out of your, literally your space. ⁓ And yet other times you could have worn, let's say an outfit to a

James Ferrigno (43:15)
Yeah.

Lisa (43:33)
really exciting thing, maybe a wedding or a party. And it's supercharged with that wonderful vibration. I used to joke that ⁓ one of our clients had a ⁓ shirt that they wore where it was like their lucky shirt. And so we called it the mojo shirt. Whenever they wore it, great things were happening. And it was just really imbued with such positivity. So yeah, it's kind of fun in a way to start to think about ⁓ ways that we can focus our intention.

James Ferrigno (43:34)
I'm going to go ahead and it off.

So, that's it.

Yeah.

Lisa (44:03)
and help support our own success by clearing what needs to be cleared and then bringing in what we want to manifest. Yeah.

James Ferrigno (44:07)
Thank

Yeah, I've had some awareness of that throughout my life. when people...

Thank you for saying that, I appreciate that. But I haven't really had a super focused, I'm gonna go back, I think, through all my stuff with a more focused attention on that. Because I've been, well, this person had, there was something bad, know, and I get rid of it, but not everything. It'd be good to go through everything. It'd be good to, well, at

Lisa (44:38)
no, no, of course. Most energy

can clear and you can, you don't have to literally get rid of things. But sometimes when something is just so baked in, sometimes it is one of those things where it's like, you know, we can, we can shift it, but sometimes it is a good time to start over, you know, whether that be an item or ⁓ something kind of bigger moving in.

James Ferrigno (44:46)
Yeah.

but to either get rid of it or clear it rather than just.

I guess not doing anything. So, ⁓ yeah, that's really interesting.

Lisa (45:15)
Yeah, yeah.

James Ferrigno (45:25)
So what shifts have you noticed in your own energy ⁓ after completing like a really intense ⁓ clearing? Have you noticed things happen to you personally?

Lisa (45:39)
That's a really great question.

think when I first, you know, started doing energetic space clearings, ⁓ it's definitely a learning curve. You know, I have all, had all these tools, which I was really grateful for and, know, had experience being a Reiki master. So I felt very attuned and sensitive to different energy frequencies. And I think that was very helpful for me to have that as just some base, you know, experiences.

James Ferrigno (45:59)
So it's good to be able to do that. So, I'm going end this. Just a bit. Yeah.

Lisa (46:08)
⁓ but sometimes when you're in a space that had had a lot of conflict or trauma or something very intense happen there, it, can wear on your own energy if you're not careful. ⁓ so Renee and I really work hard to make sure that we are protected energetically when we go into spaces. Cause we don't always know, you know, we, we might hear, we do an intake form with every client. So we get a sense of what the issues are.

James Ferrigno (46:21)
Mm-hmm. ⁓

Lisa (46:38)
But sometimes you don't really understand the degree of intensity until you're in a physical space. All right. And then you're like, whoa. ⁓ Sometimes I've been in spaces where I started to feel a little bit dizzy or disoriented myself, which told me I need to get more grounded and to get more clear. And so I would, you know, go through steps to do that. But it surprised me, you know, just how powerful the force of that energy was that it really started to affect my own.

James Ferrigno (46:38)
it.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah. ⁓

Lisa (47:07)
sense of neutrality. Yeah, so it can definitely happen. And now I feel like, cause you know, we have five years under our belt of hundreds of clearings. I feel like I have ⁓ a really good idea of what I need to do personally in order to prepare, in order to go into a space clearing and come out not depleted or not carrying other, you know, energy. That's not my own so that I can really be in my own space of frequency.

James Ferrigno (47:13)
Thank you.

Lisa (47:37)
And I will say like sometimes carrying crystals with us has become very important. There are some crystals that are excellent at Cleansing energies around you one of our favorites is smoky quartz So if you've not been familiar with that smoky quartz is of the quartz family and it's known for its ability to ⁓ If there's any like stagnant energy around it is so hybrid. Look, excuse me. It's so high vibrational it can

James Ferrigno (47:50)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Lisa (48:06)
really like shift the energy around you. And so it's a wonderful stone if you feel like you're in an intense place or space or you're traveling, you're not sure what your hotel room is going to feel like or your Airbnb or VRBO or wherever you're going. It's a good one to have on you. So I like to have one of those with me when I'm going out in the field.

James Ferrigno (48:29)
Okay, so that's good advice. Look into that. Let's ask you final question. ⁓ If you can leave our listeners with one piece of advice for creating a nice harmonious living and working environment, so what would it be? What practical things could they do?

Lisa (48:30)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Great question. I would love to give your listeners a few tips. So this comes out of both my training as an intuitive medicine practitioner, but also I've been trained in sound healing and Renee's been trained in feng shui. And so I'll give you a tip from each of those modalities. So from the sound world, ⁓ know, sound is one of the quickest ways to shift energy into a higher elevation or higher frequency.

James Ferrigno (48:52)
Mm-hmm.

Lisa (49:15)
And so if you don't have any instruments in your house, that's okay. You can actually clap. You can clap your hands and do it in every corner of each room. And that is actually going to shift some energy pretty quickly. If you do have any instruments like either Tibetan singing bowls or crystal bowls or chimes, chimes are very wonderful and effective at moving out stagnant energy. And they're great to do at your front door. So that can really help bring some positive ⁓

James Ferrigno (49:28)
Thank you.

Lisa (49:44)
high frequency energy to your space. So another tip from the Feng Shui world is that your front door is considered the mouth of Qi or the mouth of energy. And so one thing that you can do to have just some fresh energy flowing at the door of your home is to either have fresh plants that are colorful outside and healthy outside of your front door or a nice welcome mat that's really clean and uplifting for you.

James Ferrigno (49:58)
just so.

Lisa (50:12)
So just little touches like that bring a lot of good energy to the front of your home, which is that mouth of chi. And then a third tip energetically goes back honestly to that foundational pillar of gratitude because spaces love to be loved, just like we love to be loved. And when you do have focused gratitude for your space or even neutrality, if you're not able to get to gratitude, that's okay.

James Ferrigno (50:16)
Thank you.

Lisa (50:38)
that is a good place to begin to shift energy and to start magnetizing more positive things. So those would be some tips that I would give the listeners to help elevate their space.

James Ferrigno (50:52)
Well, that sounds good. ⁓ Well, thank you, Lisa. Appreciate you being on the show today. And think we had a great conversation. I learned some important things and I really appreciate that.

Lisa (50:56)
My pleasure.

Thank you so much. It was such an honor to be a guest and excited to connect with you. And I hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you.

James Ferrigno (51:17)
Thank you. This has been a conversation with Lisa Guerin and this is Say It Anyway with James Farina.